I know you know the likes of a radical ban on communism/islam/etc have been suggested multiple times. Most recently, a few months ago, this guy Newt Gingrich, a big-time Trump fan, former Speaker of the House during the Clinton era, has suggested the federal government test all Muslims in the US for shariah loyalty and deport all shariah-believing radicals (including those already US citizen, naturalized and even natural-born). There was quite a bit of discussion about this inside the "internet" right-wing community. Breitbart was filled with "test&deport'em all" fans.
Well, here's my problem with the approach. Forget taqiyah (they will lie, 146%). Go Guantanamo / advanced interrogation mode. This likely ends up in the feds deporting 7-digit amount of people. Many folks would even welcome the outcome. But then – to achieve the feat, we would have given the federal government some new powers, not foreseen by the Constitution, or even explicitly banned from the reach of the government by the Bill of Rights. By its nature, the feds really are a crocodilian that only has one direction of movement for an object it has its teeth on. The crocodilaian chews and swallows. And grows itself. Sort of not unlike the Isaiah 5:14 biblical hell:
hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure
There is really no good way to shrink the crocodilian. After it has eaten the allakhuakbars, chances are it will feast on someone else, and so on. Sort of not unlike the Nazi Germany.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
So banning/deporting/jailing allakhuakbars or socialists – may work, but it may also work in a bit...unexpected a manner. So I find the Bill of Rights a necessary element of system's sanity, a little piece of pure genius by the Founding Fathers. Ideas are no crimes per se. We did not fully ban the commies during the cold war, like they did in Singapore, I doubt it would be a good idea now.
Класс – надо запомнить. Меткое сравнение – пульсирующее напряжение, но не идущее "обратно" (в минус) :)))
В Сингапуре так сделали – забили на все правач человека болт и фактически криминализировали комуняк и многие другие левые движи. И даже сам лидер комуняк в начале 0вых, когда его помиловали, признал правоту клана Ли, которые его в 70ые попячили из страны. И вроде как – ничего такого ультра-особого не случилось (с Сингапуром). That said – я себе тяжело представляю криминализацию per se социализм, ислама или еще чего эдакого в США – первая поправка-с. В Европе нынешними темпами скорее криминализируют американского толка консерватизм или либертарианство.
А насчет "не ведет" –– страшно проверять. Страна большая, nukes and sheit, superpower. Не маленький бананово-лимонный сингапур с диктатом клана Ли. Тронешь 1А в свою пользу – завтра власть поменяется, и у тебя вообще все заберут. На всех добрых царей из клана Ли – не напасешься, JIMHO.
Говоря о криминализации, я не требую засунуть всех и сразу в кутузку. Скорее следует создать в обществе нетолерантное отношение к ним, как к преступникам, реальным или потенциальным. Ведь в Германии и Австрии далеко не все члены NSDAP были наказаны, лишены свободы, но подвержены остракизму в той или иной степени были все. А ведь тоже были левыми. Немного правее-большевиков-коммунистов, но тоже левые. Повторяю, левее коммунистов - только стенка. Все остальные части политспектра - вправо от них.
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Well, here's my problem with the approach. Forget taqiyah (they will lie, 146%). Go Guantanamo / advanced interrogation mode. This likely ends up in the feds deporting 7-digit amount of people. Many folks would even welcome the outcome. But then – to achieve the feat, we would have given the federal government some new powers, not foreseen by the Constitution, or even explicitly banned from the reach of the government by the Bill of Rights. By its nature, the feds really are a crocodilian that only has one direction of movement for an object it has its teeth on. The crocodilaian chews and swallows. And grows itself. Sort of not unlike the Isaiah 5:14 biblical hell:
hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure
There is really no good way to shrink the crocodilian. After it has eaten the allakhuakbars, chances are it will feast on someone else, and so on. Sort of not unlike the Nazi Germany.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out — because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
So banning/deporting/jailing allakhuakbars or socialists – may work, but it may also work in a bit...unexpected a manner. So I find the Bill of Rights a necessary element of system's sanity, a little piece of pure genius by the Founding Fathers. Ideas are no crimes per se. We did not fully ban the commies during the cold war, like they did in Singapore, I doubt it would be a good idea now.
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В Сингапуре так сделали – забили на все правач человека болт и фактически криминализировали комуняк и многие другие левые движи. И даже сам лидер комуняк в начале 0вых, когда его помиловали, признал правоту клана Ли, которые его в 70ые попячили из страны. И вроде как – ничего такого ультра-особого не случилось (с Сингапуром). That said – я себе тяжело представляю криминализацию per se социализм, ислама или еще чего эдакого в США – первая поправка-с. В Европе нынешними темпами скорее криминализируют американского толка консерватизм или либертарианство.
А насчет "не ведет" –– страшно проверять. Страна большая, nukes and sheit, superpower. Не маленький бананово-лимонный сингапур с диктатом клана Ли. Тронешь 1А в свою пользу – завтра власть поменяется, и у тебя вообще все заберут. На всех добрых царей из клана Ли – не напасешься, JIMHO.
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